Islam W Praktyce

sailor

Dzieki za odpowiedz :)

Nie moglam znalezdz wiele informacji na ten temat, ale czytalam wlasnie troche o tym ze Omar to wprowadzil... tez znalazlam cytaty z hadith gdzie mowia ze taki byl azan jeszcze w czasie proroka:

1 – It was narrated that Abu Mahdhoorah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I used to give the adhaan for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and in the first adhaan of Fajr I used to say: “Hayya ‘ala al-falaah, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, Allaahu akbar Allaahu akbar, laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (come to prosperity, prayer is better than sleep, prayer is better than sleep, Allaah is Most Great, Allaah is Most Great, there is no god but Allaah).”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 500; al-Nasaa’i, 647; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

2 – It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: In the first adhaan after the word al-falaah it is said: Al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm, al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm (prayer is better than sleep, prayer is better than sleep).

It was narrated by al-Tahhaawi (1/82) with a hasan isnaad as al-Haafiz said in al-Talkhees (3/169).

Al-Thamr al-Mustataab, p. 131.

3 - It was narrated that Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: It is Sunnah for the muezzin, after saying Hayya ‘ala al-falaah (come to prosperity), to say: “al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm (prayer is better than sleep)” twice.

This was narrated by al-Daaraqutni (90), Ibn Khuzaymah in his Saheeh and al-Bayhaqi in his Sunan (1/423), and he said: its isnaad is saheeh.

It was also narrated by al-Daraaqutni and al-Tahhaawi (1/82) via Hushaym from Ibn ‘Awn with the wording: In the adhaan for Fajr prayer, when the muezzin said: Hayya ‘ala al-falaah (come to prosperity), he said: “al-salaatu khayrun min al-nawm (prayer is better than sleep),” twice. This version was narrated by Ibn al-Sakan who classed it as saheeh, as it says in al-Talkhees, 3/148

Al-Thamr al-Mustataab, p. 132

zrodlo:(nie wiem jak wiarygodne bo nie znam)
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Juz wiem dlaczego #2 nie bylo by wiarygodnym zrodlem, ale #1 i 3 tez nie? Dlaczego?

Al-Islam

Trzeba w tym miejscu zaznaczyć, że chociaż szyici często posługują się hadisami ze źródeł sunnickich dla ewentualnego dodatkowego poparcia wniosków jakie wysnuwają ze źródeł szyickich to jednak przy dedukcji praw na swoje potrzeby posługują się hadisami szyickimi. Innymi słowy, powyższe hadisy mogłyby mieć znaczenie w debacie pomiędzy sunnitą a szyitą, jednak w procesie szyickiego idżtihadu już nie bardzo.

sailor

Dzieki jeszcze raz za odpowiedzi.

Jesli kogos interesuje szczegolowe wytlumaczenie, to znalazlam takie cos:

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Smile

sailor

Tylko jedno nie za bardzo rozumiem -- Wedlug tej strony, Omar zabronil "Haya Ala Khair al-Amal" w azanie, i z tego powodu te zdanie znajduje sie w azanie szyickim ale nie sunnickim. Ta strona nie mowi nic o tym co mnialoby motywowac Omara... Po co on by mnial to zabraniac? Rozumiem dlaczego niektore wladzy by zabraniali "Ash-hadu anna Aliya wali-ul-lah," ale jaka jest kontrowersja w zdaniu "make haste towards the best thing?"

sailor

Wiem ze nie sposob wejsc w glowe kalifa ktory zyl 1,600 lat temu, ale czy sa jakies szyickie/sunnickie hadisy w ktorych Omar podal powod do tej zmiany ze nie bedzie juz "Haya Ala Khair al-Amal" w azanie?

Zabraniane czegos to cos innego niz dodatek... I tak wg tej strony to Omar dodal "prayer is better than sleep," ale pozniej zmienil zdanie i wg jednego hadisu nawet jego syn powiedzial ze ojciec kiedys to nazwal "an innovation" i nie chcial tego sluchac.

A zdanie "Haya Ala Khair al-Amal" nigdy nie wrocilo w jego czasach do athanu, z tego co czytam, nie rozumiem dlaczego (wg tych zrodel) Omar slyszal w pewnym momecie "prayer is better than sleep" i powiedzial "let us go away from here," ale calkowity brak innego zdania w azanie przeszlo bez jego komentarza? Mysle ze na pewno Omar gdzies to wytlumaczyl, napewno musial bo to powazna zmiana i ludzie pewnie sie go pytali dlaczego.

Al-Islam

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sailor

Ja juz to rozumiem... "Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal" bylo w azanie, a "Al-Salat Khayrun Min al-Nawm" bylo dodane pozniej...

Moje pytanie dotyczy tego:

Umar opposed the Islamic teachings by removing "Haya Ala Khair al-Amal" from the Adhan

We shall cite the following esteemed Sunni works to corroborate our claim:

1. Sharh Maqasid, volume 3, page 294
2. Qaushijee Sharh Tajreed, page 408, .
3. Abkaar Al Afkaar Manqool Az Tashayed Al-Matahin, volume 1, page 1884.
4. Tasheed Al Sawa’id Manqool Az Tashayed Al-Matahin, volume 1, page 1884.

Qaushijee states:

(Umar said): 'O people, three things were there during the reign of Allah's messenger and I forbid them and will punish for practising them and they are the Mut'ah of women, the Mut'ah of hajj and Haya alaa khayri al-amal'

Imam Sa’aduddin Taftazani stated in Sharah Maqasid:

It has been narrated that he said: 'Three things were there during the reign of the prophet and I forbid them and they are the two Mut'ah and Haya alaa khayri al-amal'

Note: The Imam of Ahle Sunnah, Abul Hasan Aamidi in Abkaar ul-Afkaar and Imam of Ahle Sunnah Shams-ud-din Mehmood bin Abdul-Rehman bin Ahmed al-Isfahani in Tashayed al-Qawaid have both admitted that the recitation of "Haya Ala Khair al-Amal" in Adhan was stopped by Umar. We want to make it clear to the Nawasib that all four of their Imams have accepted Umar banned the recitation of the concerned phrase in Adhan The author of Tauhfa Ithna Ashari al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlavi has admitted in the fourth chapter of his Touhfa that if someone quotes a tradition from the opposition and then does not term it as weak then the authenticity of the tradition is proven. Based on this principle, all four Sunni Imams have quoted this tradition verifying to it being authentic, rather than deem this weak they have offered justifications and explanations. The Nawasib blame us for holding a belief that our Imams have the authority to change and abrogate Islamic edicts, a fact that is against the Shi’a madhab. We ask the Nasibis ‘Who gave Umar the authority to ban acts that permitted by Allah and his Holy Prophet (s)?’

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Dlaczego Omar zabronil te zdanie? Moze zabronil i nie podal powodu? Moze te zrodla sa niewiarygodne? ...Bo syn Omara mowil "Hayya Ala Khayr al-Amal" w azanie... wiec nie zgodzil sie z ojcem ze to mnialo byc zabronione, czy jak to bylo? Sorry czytam to wszystko ale nadal nie rozumiem.

Al-Islam

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przypis [278]

polka

czy ktos moglby ten temat przedstawic w jezyku polskim ? prosze :)

sailor

Ah, juz teraz to widze. Sorry czytalam #278 u gory bo nie bardzo wiedzialam co to "przypis." Wszystko juz teraz jasne, dziekuje bardzo :)